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Common Mystics Podcast
Season 2 Episode 18: Bonus- Spirit Possession- Part 1
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00:00:09 On this episode of Common Mystics, we delve into the terrifying phenomenon of demonic possession. I'm Jennifer James. I'm Jill Stanley. We're psychics. We’re sisters. We are Common Mystics. We find extraordinary stories in ordinary places, and this week we bring you part one of a two-part bonus series on possession.
00:00:34 And we are scared shitless to have this conversation. Seriously, what are we doing, Jill? How did we, how did we land on this topic? Because we were like, well, what's the scariest thing that we could think of. You know, I remember last year around Halloween, and I believe that I suggested that we actually go to a cemetery at night and do a ritual. Do you remember that?
00:00:56 Yeah, I do, and I was like, who has control of you right now? It was like, where's my sister and bring her back to me.
00:01:03 Seriously and a year later, I am not the skeptic that I used to be. I'm serious, like I went into this thinking, how many stories are we actually going to find? No, like stuff is really happening. Do you know what I mean? And now I'm like, I don't even know if I want to talk about possession because like, I legit believe now that it could happen.
00:01:26 I am so terrified about this topic because I don't want to seem overconfident, but I also don't want to seem like a big old wuss, so I don't know how I'm going to land, but I think we should just push through this and just know we have a healthy respect for the paranormal. So why did we pick this topic, Jen?
00:01:48 We grew up, um, with certain assumptions about the way, you know, the spiritual world works, and we believe in the devil. Obviously. And we believe in demons and we both saw The Exorcist at a very young age. The documentary, The Exorcist.
00:02:10 Cause that's how we looked at it. Explain that. Explain how we could watch something like The Exorcist, and think that it's like a documentary. Okay.
00:02:15 So, we grew up, as you know, we grew up in a very Catholic family. Our grandmother has her own history with the paranormal and, um, the devil. And so when we're watching The Exorcist at a very young age, where we're already aware of our grandma's issue with the devil, we were seeing this as like, oh no, this can really happen. Right.
00:02:39 Right. And if you haven't listened to our bonus pod on Grandma, please go back and listen to that from season one. We talk about her interactions with, uh, the devil.
00:02:49 And the thing with Grandma is that she was such a powerful, strong– like her faith, you could stand on it. It was solid. It was a rock. True. I don't have that fortitude. So if something came after Grandma, it would be different if something was coming after me, right? Right. Like Grandma was equipped to deal with that kind of booya-ya, right?
00:03:14 Not this old girl. No, no, no. Not us. No. We had a little bit of an experience in Rome City, if you'll recall? I do recall. I didn't like it. You know, honestly, Jennifer, just a side note in the past, when I would talk to people about like, how can you tell if something's evil? Or how can you tell if you're talking to your angels? They're like, it's a different vibration. It's a different vibration. And I never understood what that meant. And I honestly really believe this because people would like, even us we're like, I don't know. Hell if I know if I'm talking to my guardian angel or if I'm talking to like, you know, whomever. Right. When we were at Rome City, the first thing I felt was foreboding. I've never said that word before in my life, and when we were there, I said it like seven times. That feeling of overwhelming darkness, you were feeling like you needed to flee. Even seeing the black, like, the shadows were darker. The black was denser there. It just felt like it was a heavier space that we literally, when we saw the statue of the Blessed Virgin in Rome City, we're like, oh my God. Thank God. Like where have you been? There’s some shit going down here. Right? And I think without sounding woo woo, that's really how it feels. It's like darker, heavier. It's not just scary. It's foreboding. It's different. It's sorrowful scary. It's like, hopelessness scary, like the Dementors in Harry Potter.
00:04:43 Okay. Well, let's start at the beginning. What is possession exactly? Are you asking me? So according to my notes, possession, and this is from Wikipedia, a spirit possession is an unusual or altered state of consciousness and associated behaviors purportedly caused by the control of a human body by spirits, ghosts, demons, or God. Jen? Yes. Continue. Can you elaborate on that?
00:05:16 Well, I was actually really surprised to learn that there are so many societies around the world that subscribe to this idea of possession. Jennifer, possession is one of the most widely held religious beliefs in the world.
00:05:37 Wow. I don't know what to say to that. It scares me, quite honestly. You quote something here in the outline. According to HinDawi.com in a global survey of 488 societies, 90% had one or more institutionalized cultural pattern forms of altered states of consciousness. And in 252 societies, such experiences were attributed to possession. And in most cultures, the possessing agents were thought to be spirits of deceased individuals, deities, animals, or devils. However, the identity of these appears to depend on the culture. Well, that just makes sense.
00:06:24 Totally, totally. It doesn't make me, um, doesn’t make me feel good that this is so, um, widespread.
00:06:34 Yeah, I know. It makes me want to take it more seriously. Yeah, and even though this is like a cultural phenomenon, like this is mythical and religious based, psychologists have been studying possession, even as recently as 2019, there was a case study. Can you look at the outline and tell me about that? Yeah.
00:06:57 Yeah. There is a 2019 study that we found in the Bio-Med & Central website. It goes over a research article about possession and it describes two different types of possession. There is a transitory possession, which is like, there's an individual who encounters like, a stressful situation and is possessed for a short duration of time. Okay. But there's also something that is termed intermittent possession. And in this sort of possession, the possessed person appears to have been entirely taken over by a spirit or other supernatural force, although the expression of that possession kind of waxes and wanes. So it's still inside ya. It's just not acting up right now.
00:08:01 Oh God. Okay. So first, the first type that you described, the, um, [transitory] transitory, you know, that can be kind of helpful. Like if your angels kind of step in and like, bring you through a situation that could be traumatic. That I'm down with that.
00:08:17 You know what? In that article, in that research article I was reading, they talked about how, yeah, the transitory possession, that short-term possession was often beneficial.
00:08:28 Yeah. For me, I have such a strong relationship with my heavies on the other side, if someone like my mom or my grandma or my angels wanted to help me along in that way, they already have my back and my permission. So I wouldn't need stages. Like, you know what I mean? Like I wouldn't need different stages, um, to get my attention, to give that type of permission. Right.
00:08:48 You and I have also talked about times in our lives when we have been in very stressful, um, positions where we needed to either perform or really step it up, and we literally called on our heavies to come down and help. And you describe it as like opening your mouth sometimes like, at a conference, and stuff will just spill out of your mouth and you know it's not from your brain, right? Absolutely.
00:09:14 So that's what I think of, and that's actually what the study said, but the intermittent possession? That is like, the devil moves in. That's not cool, man. That is almost always malevolent, as you can imagine. Jesus Christ. Okay. In a good way, Jesus. In a good way. Bringing Him in. Bringing Him in.
00:09:37 Jill, it starts with degrees. Okay. A lot of times when that happens, there were warning signs before that you weren't paying attention to. Okay. Foolish me. That's the bright side. Step one. Give me the first degree of what a possession would look like, like the warning signs. Okay. Okay.
00:09:58 So, uh, the first degree is infestation. So, basically a spirit or other entity kind of invades your space. So, we're talking about like, um, comes into your house or your office or your physical space. So it hasn't like, gotten into your body yet, but it's like, around you. Does that make sense?
00:10:22 So like, flickering lights, moving [objects moving] objects. Okay. And how you deal with that is going to really determine if you're going to the next level, [exactly] or next degree of possession, right? So like if you're engaging in a really intrigued way, like, oh, look at you, the door’s just opening, my goodness. That could be like a signal to the malevolent spirit. Like, Hey, they're into it. She's down with this. So then what happens?
00:10:52 Well, the next level is called oppression. And then it appears that this other entity is starting to influence your thoughts, emotions in a negative manner. So, there might be anxiety or nightmares, illness, fatigue.
00:11:12 What's so insidious about this is that it is coming from you. It’s coming from the inside out. So, you won't associate your anxiety with the door opening and closing with the lights flickering with, if you saw your Aunt Millie, or who you believe is your Aunt Millie, clicking on the keyboard. You know what I mean? That's why it's so insidious. You just assume you're having a hard time dealing with stress or you're gaining weight or the weather isn't right. So you're just sad. Could be.
00:11:41 It could be, but this makes me think of when you and I came back from Rome City and we were experiencing some kind of anger towards each other, and we realized that it wasn't coming from us. When you were being mean to me for no reason? Mm Hmm.
00:11:55 Or vice versa, which is usually the case. Oh, my gosh. No, seriously. I think in that example, there was no infestation first. Like there weren't things moving around your house or happening that we noticed. It went right to influencing our thoughts and reactions to each other. Don't you think? That’s friggin scary. I know. Man. Okay. On that, thanks, Jen.
00:12:30 Thank you, Jennifer. All right. Well, we told it to leave and it did. Okay. Next, it did physically interact with us. [I can’t] It did physically interact with us, but we told it to leave and it did. If we hadn't, if we were into it, [if we were obsessed with it] if we were like, Hey, have a seat, have a glass of wine, stick around, then things might have happened differently. You guys,
if something, I mean, honestly. Hold it. Save it,
00:12:56 Save it for later. I can't. Oh, it's burning. It's burning in me. All right. Really? Are we at, are we at the next level? Obsession.
00:13:06 Yeah. Obsession is the next level. Okay. So, if you have progressed to obsession, then a person is constantly affected by this entity.
00:13:20 Again, it could be insidious. So what if, like, let's just say, what if you believe that you deserve a raise at work? And so you, you are just focused on getting a raise, getting a raise, you do a ritual or you, you know, do whatever it takes to get a raise. You know what I'm saying? That's obsession. [About a ghost or about spirits] Oh, it can be an obsession about anything.
00:13:46 Anything, because that energy, that determination that makes you want to get something at any cost is obsession. So you're going to be making questionable behaviors based on that obsession. Wow.
00:13:59 And so hard. You can see how it would be so hard to separate. Is it your own obsession or is it being fueled by something else outside of you? Exactly. I don’t know. That shit's crazy. I don't even like to think about that.
00:14:13 Okay. Tell me, tell me the next one. The last degree of possession. The last is full-blown possession. And if you are possessed, then really you lose your free will. Like you, you are no longer in charge of you, of yourself, of your body. Whether temporarily [right, transitory] or intermittent, long-term that waxes and wanes. Yeah, exactly. Okay. That shit's messed up, Jill.
Oh, great. Okay.
00:14:51 So, what are the signs for those at home who are wondering if they might be possessed, Jill, what are some of the signs?
00:15:00 Well, your personality changes, and I would have to say not for the best. You become a little more “C U next Tuesday.” You become a little angry. Short fuse. Acts of violence. Oh. You know, throwing stuff around the house, unusual movements of contortions.
00:15:20 Oh, that always gets me when you're watching a movie and they start contorting in unnatural ways. That always gets me.
00:15:26 Oh, and the crackings. Stop. Stop. Blasphemy, and I don't mean saying swear words. I mean, straight up doing some dark things that, you know, purposefully is blasphemous against the Lord. Okay? I don't even want to name the names, but you're feeling me on this, right?
00:15:44 I'm feeling you. It's a place I don't even want to go to be quite honest. I'm not going to describe it. Yeah. I just, yeah. Superhuman strength. I have that anyway.
You have a lot of these, by the way. I'm just saying. Oh my God, shut up. I’m starting to check these boxes. It's either I'm possessed or a superhero. Which is it? Which is it, Jen? Jury's out. Aversion to holy objects. Ah, I like holy objects, just saying. You do like holy objects. Speaking in unfamiliar languages. That's another sign. Knowledge of events or facts that were unknown to you. Okay. A little psychic. A little clairvoyant psychic. Yeah. So those are all signs that you could be possessed. I don’t know, Jill. I’m starting to worry a little bit.
00:16:39 Wait, I just have to say one thing because I think it's funny in this context. When you actually started seeing your counselor, Dr. Lisa, and you had to fill out like, that questionnaire–
00:16:50 Yes! Yes, I was exactly thinking that! Dr. Lisa and I were having a discussion about the DSM-5 and there were like, 11 characteristics of this one mental illness, and if you had like, five or seven of them you could be classified as having that type of mental illness. And that's exactly what it sounded like as we were going through. How do you know you are possessed? Well, that’s it exactly.
00:17:14 I really like the question: Do you hear voices outside your head, or do you hear voices in your head? And you said, I said, yes, but it's not what you think. And I stand by that. I stand by that. That’s awesome. I do, but it's not what you think, doctor.
00:17:31 Oh my gosh. I do think that we have to acknowledge that some of these are like legit psychological disorders and you need to see somebody if you're experiencing some of these, right?
00:17:43 Here’s the thing, though. I honestly believe that possession and psychological disorders can overlap. I don't think it has to be one or the other, but yeah, for sure. And do you know what people? If you think you are possessed, do not say no to any therapy or psychological eval, because you know what, that can be beneficial, whether you're possessed or not.
00:18:04 I do want to talk about what causes a person to fall prey to possession, Jill. What would increase your odds of being a victim of possession? Well-put. Explain. Uh, well, your behavior.
Oh, what do you mean? Jennifer. Tell me. So, like, if you are just an overall horrible human being, like, no, for real, like if you like, get off on like, causing confusion or instigating arguments or creating contention, that can be a problem. If you're manipulative, if you're controlling, if you prey on people's sympathies, if you have no remorse about doing that, or if you just generally are a cruel person and you get pleasure out of harm or pain that other people or animals are experiencing, that could, that could bring about some, you know, some attention to you on the other side, be like, well, they're into it. They're into,
00:19:09 Oh, hold on. Hold on. So what you're basically saying is what you put out into the world comes back to you kind of, right? If you act in a certain way that is fueled by really negative, mean-spirited, hurtful ways, then you invite those same kinds of energies back to you? Is that what you're saying? I think, yes, but I also feel like you're playing in that playground. Do you know what I mean? Like you're choosing to play in that playground. So it's not just about what you're putting out. It's like, where you roll.
00:19:45 Well, I mean, you're describing really bad people. You're describing like Adolf Hitler here. No, I don't think so. I do think so. I don’t think so. Okay. I said some people, I think, that some people at times, cause or create confusion, for whatever benefit. I think some people, at times, could be manipulative, controlling. And what about, what about people who are in a rut, who aren't bad people, but maybe putting out negativity because they're feeling negativity inside? Is that like a different thing?
00:20:16 No, it's still a behavior. Okay. A behavior is a behavior. The reason why you're behaving a certain way is just the story of how you got there, but you're still behaving that way. Okay.
00:20:28 So you might be behaving in a way that attracts negative entities toward you and you might not even realize it? Right.
00:20:37 You may be just, that's where you're rolling. That's what level you're on. Okay. That's just where your vibration is or that's just where you're rolling. Whether you're it, because you're getting off on it or you're doing it just because that's where you end up rolling because you're having a bad day. You're still doing it. I'm not judging you. I'm just saying if that's where you're playing, it's like, if you play with a knife, you're going to get cut.
00:21:02 Okay. So it puts you at risk for negative energies to come towards you. Right. Okay. So what else besides your behaviors might cause a person to fall prey to possession? Jennifer, if you are so foolish, the acts that you do can also bring attention to you.
00:21:24 Okay. So differentiate for me, behaviors from acts. Acts are actually action words, verbs. Things that you're doing. So, like holding a seance. So, ritualistic type, um, uh, invoking. Giving permission. Okay. So acts are more willful and purposeful. Right? Willful and purposeful behaviors done for a specific result. Exactly. So, calling or invoking spirits, conjuring spirits, inviting or giving permission for spirits to interact with you or come into your space. Talk to me about this one, normalizing supernatural behavior. What do you mean by that? Because I think you and I normalize supernatural behavior to a certain extent,
00:22:16 I believe, as we said before, that our people on the other side, talk to us in a very specific way, and we talked about this before that if you are of the light, you have means to get to us that is very comforting. It's very controlled. You use our circle of reference. You, um, we see pictures in our minds' eyes. They already have that link to us. If something external, like the door opening and closing or a light flickering on and off, if I normalize that behavior and be like, oh, that's just mom. That's not how Mom would communicate with me.
00:22:58 Well, you've already had those conversations with mom in your head and you've established how Mom is going to communicate, and you've, you've been practicing that. So, you know what that feels like when it's authentically Mom?
00:23:08 Well, I know what it feels like to work with people of the light. And I know how it feels to feel a ghost presence. It's the same reason why we were afraid in McGraw. In, by the, um, corset factory. We knew something was there, but we also knew that it didn't feel the same way as it would someone who was of the light.
00:23:32 Right? Right. It was trying to scare us. It wasn't trying to make us feel comforted. It was trying to interact in a way that was [to provoke fear] Yeah. And it likes that energy. So if, if we would have engaged with that spirit and been like, this is, this is them trying to talk to us. That would be a problem. So do you think all those shows on cable TV are, or do you think that they are playing with things that maybe they shouldn't be? Because they do that all the time. They provoke spirit. I don't think you should ever provoke spirit in my personal opinion. I don't think you should. I don't either. I think it's disrespectful. Yeah. And it's, it might be asking for, for badness.
00:24:16 If you think that, um, there's a spirit somewhere and they're trying to get your attention, that's fine. Send St. Michael. Send your heavies. Send the Lord. Send love. Send whoever. I'm just saying like, don't normalize that behavior. Like, oh, they just want to talk to me? No. Right. No, I don't want to talk to you. Also, when normalizing spiritual behaviors, supernatural behaviors, there's a difference between an intelligent behavior and something that's on auto, right? So you may have a haunting of just that trapped energy that keeps going and doing the same thing. That's different than purposefully knocking to get a result, right?
00:24:54 Right. That's a good point. So what you're saying is, if there is a ghost, um, that's kind of caught in a loop that is walking from one part of my house to another part of my house, say in my bedroom and it just happens, it happens all the time and I'm just used to it. That's more of something on a loop. It's not intelligent. It's not trying to communicate. It's just walking from point A to point B into the master bathroom. Right?
00:25:19 Wow. Very specific. Yes, indeed. It's not trying to scare you. It's not trying to provoke anything. It's just trapped energy for whatever reason. It's just doing that. Okay.
00:25:29 I wanted to say something about normalizing supernatural behavior because I had a friend or have a friend whose uncle passed away and he noticed that, um, a light bulb that was completely fine was flickering in his bathroom. And he started talking to it and it started responding. And then he started telling his kids, Hey, um, this is your Uncle Jesse. And the kids were talking to the light bulb that was blinking. What do you think about that? Because that kind of falls in that category of normalizing supernatural behavior. Does it not?
00:26:09 I think that that can be a real problem. Why? Because you don't know who's flickering that light bulb, right? And you're using that light bulb the same way you would be using a Ouiji board. So if it was your Uncle Jesse, um, just say Uncle Jesse, like in your head, talk to your Uncle Jesse. Don’t keep talking to the light bulb. You don’t know that light bulb is Uncle Jesse, unless you said, Hey, Uncle Jesse, I need a sign by Tuesday. Show me dah, dah, dah, or make the light bulb blink. You know what I mean? Right. Right. Setting up those things.
00:26:42 Yeah. Makes sense. That makes sense. Very problematic. Right because you potentially could be interacting with a spirit and it could be malevolent in nature. Exactly. Exactly. 00:26:54 Okay. I know. Thanks. Okay. Um, Jill? Jennifer? You put something down on this outline that is creeping me out. What? What is it? What are you talking about?
00:27:07 What causes a person to fall prey to possession and, um, going to places that have lower vibrations. This can up the risk factor. That's like, what our whole podcast is about, basically. We are looking, we go to a lot of cemeteries, Jill.
00:27:26 We do go to a lot of cemeteries. We go to a lot of scary places. We go to a lot of scary places, but we're going with the intention to give voice to the voiceless. And we're going in, um, not only in the protection, in the light of the love and Lord, [did you hear that Lord?] St. Michael.
00:27:50 But um, that's why we're going. And it's scary because we're really vulnerable, but we, I believe, go with a crew. We go with an army of love and light to help and give voice to whomever may need our help.
00:27:59 Right. We go with good intention, but your point is, if you're the kind of person who just wants to go to known haunted places, known places with some scary energy, you just might be asking for something to, to, you know, come your way. Correct?
00:28:17 Yeah. Like for sure there is no, there is no way to go to a place and not have that risk. Nothing is risk proof. And it is intriguing, especially when you're a young kid and you feel that energy for the first time and you want to be scared, but you have to know that it's more. That there is reason to be scared. You are experiencing something real. You have a really good example of this. Explain.
00:28:45 So, Jennifer, the thing is, is that there is a notable haunted cemetery in the Chicagoland area. And in the 1990s, like in, when we first got the internet, we were living in Woodridge and one of our family members had told us about this cemetery. And so I contacted a parapsychologist and got directions on how to find the cemetery. No.
00:29:11 Now, the reason it's hard to find is because it's completely overgrown. Like it's not used anymore. Right. And you can't see it from the street,
00:29:20 It's actually a quarter mile into a forest preserve. Right. So you can't see it from the street, it's off the beaten path. Okay. So Bachelor's Grove Cemetery is notable for ghost activity. It was said at the time that a hundred percent of the time if you go to Bachelor's Grove, day or night, you are going to get an experience. So like I said, I Googled and I had reached out to a parapsychologist that wrote about this Bachelor’s Grove Cemetery, and I got the location. So, one night I'm in my twenties and I'm with a group of friends and I'm like, do you guys wanna do something? And they're like, yeah, what do you want to do? And I'm like, uh, do you guys want to go to a haunted cemetery? And they're like, oh sure, but It's not haunted. And they were like, we were like, just being stupid kids.
00:30:05 Right. I'm the oldest. There’s six of us. Okay. So we get in the car and we're in a van and we go to this haunted cemetery, cause I like, I have the directions in my hot little hand. And so, I'm with my boyfriend at the time and his two friends and their girlfriends. And I am six feet tall, as you know. I mention that a lot. But at this time, Jen, this is when you and I are running every day, and I am feeling myself. I am athletic. And I'm looking around this van on our way there, and I'm like, okay, if some shit goes down, because again, I'm the oldest in this van. Who is the weakest link? And I look at this girl named Hannah and, and she's, she's a short girl and she has very tiny limbs. And I'm thinking, if anything goes down, Hannah's the weakest link.
00:30:49 So, I got to look out for Hannah. So, we get there. We park on the street and we walk to the entrance of the forest preserve. And we're walking that quarter mile at night into the forest preserve. And the road leading to the cemetery, the path is overgrown. It has roots coming up out of the asphalt. [Jesus, Jill] It's very rocky. You can't see the street anymore as you're going further and further into the forest preserve. And lo and behold on our right, there is a gate and an entrance into Bachelor’s Grove Cemetery. So it's completely enclosed other than the entrance and on the far left side of the cemetery, there is a river. So it's completely closed off. So if you go in, that's the only way out. You have to turn around and go out the same way? Exactly. So we get in there and there were three kids and they're doing the exact same thing we were doing.
00:31:46 They scared the shit out of us at first. We were like, oh man, you're scared of us. Cause they were like, boo, and I was like, oh my God. So they like, shake up with the dudes and everything. And so we're walking around the cemetery and nothing's happening. So my boyfriend, the genius that he was, was like, we're going to go into the woods and I'm like, I'm not going into the woods. So he and I are having this conversation as we exit Bachelor’s Grove Cemetery, back on the path, and we go further into the forest preserve having the fight over the keys because I, this old girl ain’t going into the woods, right? So, me and the girl we just met in the cemetery and Hannah, we're going to go back to the van and wait for them to explore the woods.
00:32:27 Everyone has now exited the cemetery and is further into the forest preserve and Hannah, this other girl, and I have to pass the entrance to the cemetery to get back on the way to go to the street. And so I got the keys in my hand, Hannah's to my right, the girl is on my left and we're walking towards the cemetery and I see suspended in the middle of the cemetery, like a light, just like a light bulb without a, a fixture just hanging there. And it's just a light. And I see it. And again, I don't want to panic anyone. I just want to get out of there. So I just am like, just keep going, just keep going. The girl next to me that we just met in the cemetery, yells “RUN!” So we all start running and Hannah takes off like a bat out of hell.
00:33:19 Like again, Jen, you and I were running every day together. I shit you not, this girl, this little itty bitty girl ran the fastest and I'm going, oh my God. I'm like Hannah, Hannah. I'm like, Don't!
00:33:33 I was like, calm down. You're going to fall. Because I can see it coming because this road is just full of like roots coming up. And sure enough, she smacks dab right on the pavement. The girl that we were with just ran straight to the road and I get up to Hannah and I'm like, get up. Hannah, get up. She goes, no, no, just leave me. And I'm like, no, get up. So I grabbed her by the back of her hoodie and I am pulling her and she's scrambling like in a cartoon to get to her feet to the road. And finally we get there and I'm like, yeah. So, that happened.
00:34:08 So the guys get back to the car. Everyone gets back to the car. I'm like this happened. They don't believe us. Well, the next, over the next couple of days, my best friend, Meghan, and my best friend, Sonya. I told them the story and they wanted to go to Bachelor’s Grove, right? What? No. And see, this is the exploring of places of lower vibration. So now I already experienced [this was you] Stop it. I already experienced that this place could possibly be of a lower vibration. Could have some, some shizzle in it. And yet I'm like, Hey, you guys, this happened, let's go to Bachelors Grove. And Meghan and Sonya are like, okay, let's go. And so we get there. And again, I spoke about Meghan before. She walks like the Pink Panther. She's very long. She's very slow. She doesn't move fast for any good reason.
00:35:00 And Sonya is my little scarecrow friend, like literally she has EDS. So, like her limbs fall apart, like seriously. She was like, we'll be walking and her hip will be like over there and you'll be like, what happened? So both of these girls [her joints come out of the socket?] Exactly. Spontaneously. So both of these girls are very, very slow. All right. And then there's me. So we're walking this, this quarter mile and this is broad daylight into the cemetery or into the forest preserve leading to the cemetery. And we get there and they're afraid to go into the cemetery. And I'm like, you guys, we drove so far to get here. It was like an hour coming to the cemetery. I was like bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk. And they like finally got in. And they only stayed around the perimeter.
00:35:42 And I was like you guys are a bunch of wusses, whatever. So we go. Meghan drops me back off at our house in Woodridge, where you and I were living. And that night I was watching a movie in the basement of our Woodridge house. And again, like in Woodridge, you walk in the front door and you're on a platform. You can either go up to the living room, dining room, kitchen area, and Jen and Dennis's and Mom's bedroom. Or you can make a right, turn on the lights, because the light switch to the family room in the basement is right there by the front door. Open a door and then go down, and then you would be in our family room, right? And that's where, that's where I was watching TV. My room is off the family room in the basement. So I'm watching this horrible movie. I'll never forget it. It was called, ”Ode to Billy Joe.”
00:36:34 “Ode to Billy Joe.” It's a terrible movie from 1976. And I was like, I'm never going to get these moments of my life back. Anyway, I hear someone coming downstairs and I think it is our sister who's spending the night at our house. And she was supposed to be sleeping on the couch in the, in the living room upstairs. So I hear someone walking down and I think it's our sister going to be like, “turn down the TV.” So I'm turning down the TV as I'm hearing these footsteps. So I can say, “it is turned down.” So anyway, right. So I hear footsteps, the door opens and no one comes out. Shut up, Jill. Swear to God. So I'm like, because the light switch is on the other side of that open door.
00:37:18 So, I'm in the dark, in the family room and no one came down. So I walk, leave the TV on. I walk to my bedroom, I turn on every light and I'm just like, okay, the TV is still on. I didn't care. I'm like, St. Michael the Archangel. And I'm like, all afraid. And I can hear footsteps going back and forth. [No, you didn’t] Yes, I did and I'm like, [Jill] fuck. I'm like, Mom is through that doorway upstairs. There's no way I'm staying down here. So I literally held my breath called on St. Michael, and ran up the stairs through the door, up the stairs, down the hallway, like jumped over Kindle, our dog, who was laying outside your bedroom door with her tail wagging, as she saw me running towards her. She was all happy. I was like, Kindle, move! And I jumped into mom's bed. I jumped over her and I'm like, Mom, there's a ghost. Mom, there's a ghost! And she's like, shh, shh, shh, shhh, it’s okay. It's okay. So, the next day, I woke up and I blessed the house. And do you remember? Cause I think you were there when I was blessing the house. 00:38:22 Yeah, I think I was there having my cornflakes and you're walking around, spraying everything with Holy water. I was like, “the power of Christ compels you. The power of Christ compels you.”
00:38:32 So. I just look at Mom and Mom goes, “Something followed her home from the cemetery.” Like it was normal. Whatever. Like it was commonplace. So yeah. So, um, a couple problems with your judgment. I have heard that before. Number one, is you going to a notable place that was haunted that had some of these negative energies or at least ghost activity? I agree. Like you went once and then you went back. Yes. Right. Especially after you were kind of warned [I know] by seeing that light.
00:39:04 I know, secondly, egging on Megan and Sonya acting like I was hot shit. That was really bad. And that was the behaviors that you were talking about, like negative behaviors and manipulation control. And you were bringing something into the house, that was an infestation that you brought there. Thanks. So I think at that point, if you were like a different person who was different, like minded, you might have tried to communicate or interact with that entity that had come to the house, but instead you banished it. [Dude] But it could have gone either way.
00:39:39 No, for sure. That's the message here. Like don't, don't interact with something that follows you home. Yeah. Don't interact with something that follows you home or that's already in your home that's doing things like that. That's not okay. Even if it is your loved one, that behavior isn't typical of loved ones that have passed over on the other side with enlightened love to be doing. So even if it is like Uncle Roger or whatever, why is Uncle Roger still there doing that? You would want to ask whoever it is, Uncle Roger or whoever it is, to go to the light because that's not typical behavior of beings that are of the light.
00:40:18 Okay. So in your, in your story, you mentioned saying prayers and cleansing, cleansing the house with Holy water. What are some other ways that you can protect yourself? If you think you might have something that followed you home, or if you think you're one of the lower levels of possession, what can you do? Jesus Christ.
00:40:40 Well, that's one. Like I said, I call on Jesus Christ and Jesus bring in St. Michael or whatever deity or entity that brings you love, strength and light. Call on your people on the other side for protection. Prayers. If you are in control of your environment, you could add music, uplifting music, to a situation, to an environment. Bring more light in, either lighten up the rooms, get, um, get more light, literally more light into the room. Because what I know about hauntings is that they like dark places that no one goes. Dark places with clutter, even boxes could draw in a spirit into that area. So you want to make it very uncomfortable for them, clean up, make it light, bring light in there. Smells like incense or sage. Bring it all in, bring it all in. Colors that bring calm or uplifting colors that symbolize something for you like blues or purples. Um, those are what I would choose. Pictures of your loved ones. Have your loved ones in that space. The essence of them, like pictures of Mom, I would put in areas of the house that I'm not occupying a lot, like my den upstairs. Stones. I got me some crystals. Clear quartz or whatever stone resonates with you that symbolizes protection. Like I'm totally in or whatever. What is it called? Tourmaline? Tourmaline. Yep.
00:42:04 What's the significance of the Holy water and those sort of cleansing rituals? What do you think? It's a reminder of faith and it's like, you're bringing in, um, like the sage is bringing in the cleansing spirit. The Holy water is cleansing. It's like saying that I am of this, of this faith. And I'm using this as an extension of that faith in that, um, extension of the Lord or whomever to, to, to claim the space as of their light in my own space. Does that make sense?
00:42:37 It does. And I like to think of rituals as a powerful way to focus intention. So if your intention is to banish negativity, to banish unwanted spirits, then a ritual is a good way to really focus that and bring that intention to life.
00:42:58 Jen, what if you're in an area that you can't control the environment? If you're at someone else's house or in a public space or again like at a conference? Yeah, I think, um, there are ways that you can protect yourself almost by creating a psychic barrier, like envisioning yourself, uh, with a bubble around you or behind glass, or even I like to picture an angel with its wings wrapped around me. Oh, that's nice. So I mean, it all depends on what situation you're in, but there are different psychic protections that you can visualize to, uh, to repel negativity off of you.
00:43:41 And if, um, you feel like you have an unwanted spirit or something following you around, you can always visualize cutting those cords or, um, cleansing your energy, cleansing your aura of it.
00:43:55 That's another. Yeah. And there are so many meditations out there. Cord cutting meditations, psychic cleansing meditations. You can just Google that and find a bunch to do, if you're looking for some meditations,
00:44:07 Bottom line, people. Like for real, I like to think of spirits as people or as beings. So if someone followed you home from the cemetery and opened the door, would you be like, Hey, what do you want? What do you need? What's your name? No, you would be like, get the fuck out of my house. Like, who are you? Why are you here? Right. Like, think about it in that sense. Like, I'm not gonna lie. This whole spiritual take on looking at things is very intriguing and can draw you in. And it makes you feel like you have a super power when you're connected to it, but don't get confused. Don't get confused. Like you're a person of this world. You're not supposed to be all in that world.
00:44:55 You're not supposed to be relying all in on that world. There’s supposed to be balance. That’s a good point. Okay. So if you're obsessed with it, like really check yourself and say, well, how am I contributing to my own risk factors? Because the last thing I want, even in this space with you doing this podcast, Jen. It's like our risk factor is up there, right? It is. We really have to check ourselves. We do. We have to protect ourselves, and we have to strengthen our root chakras as well as our crown chakras. I had a problem with my root chakra lately. Oh please, don't get into that. All right. So basically, Jill, if someone thinks they are possessed, who should they call? Not us.
00:45:37 Hang up, dial 9 1 1. We are not for you. Honestly. There is nothing we can do for you. We can say a prayer. If you want prayer, if you want to send us an email requesting prayers, we will pray. Don't tell me anything about it. Don’t email us about it. We don't want that in our inbox.
00:46:00 You know what guys, we'll just pray for everyone out there listening. Well, that's a good idea. So we’ll just send you light and love and keep it to yourself. No, but seek out a professional. What professional? Go to, go to a psych doctor. Dr. Lisa yourself up. And if that doesn't work, go to a church. If you are using supernatural reasons to justify your behaviors like that you're doing now, then that's a problem. That is a problem. Exactly.
00:46:33 Jill,what are we talking about next week then for part two of this two-part bonus? It gets worse. What do you mean? And we're going to look at actual, um, counts of possession and talk about them and have our take on them.
00:46:47 Are you going to find the scariest ones you can? Yeah, but I also want your opinion on the Warrens. So, I want you to start looking at the Warrens because I want your take on them. I'm a little on the fence. Sounds good. I'm excited about that. All right. Tell the people where they can find us. Well, check out our website, commonmystics.net. Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter, and listen in on wherever you get your favorite podcast. And don't forget to leave us a positive review on Apple, so that other people can find us. Thank you, guys. Good night. Thank you. Good night.
